{"id":15065,"date":"2023-05-03T09:56:12","date_gmt":"2023-05-03T16:56:12","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/dornsife.usc.edu\/news\/?p=15065"},"modified":"2023-05-05T14:34:57","modified_gmt":"2023-05-05T21:34:57","slug":"what-iraq-war-can-teach-about-ukraine","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/dornsife.usc.edu\/news\/stories\/what-iraq-war-can-teach-about-ukraine\/","title":{"rendered":"What the Iraq War can teach the US about avoiding a quagmire in Ukraine \u2013 3 key\u00a0lessons"},"content":{"rendered":"\n\n\n    \n                                          \n\n  \n    \n\n\n\n\n\n\n<div\n  class=\"cc--component-container cc--article-hero \"\n\n  \n  \n  \n  \n  \n  \n  >\n  <div class=\"c--component c--article-hero\"\n    \n      >\n\n    \n<div class=\"inner-wrapper\">\n          \n<div class=\"f--field f--image\">\n\n    \n    \n    \n    \n    \n    \n              \n      <img\n                            data-src=\"https:\/\/dornsife.usc.edu\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/7\/2023\/05\/Ukraine_Conversation_NewSite-768x432.jpg\"\n          data-srcset=\"https:\/\/dornsife.usc.edu\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/7\/2023\/05\/Ukraine_Conversation_NewSite-1920x1080.jpg 1920w,https:\/\/dornsife.usc.edu\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/7\/2023\/05\/Ukraine_Conversation_NewSite-1280x720.jpg 1280w,https:\/\/dornsife.usc.edu\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/7\/2023\/05\/Ukraine_Conversation_NewSite-768x432.jpg 768w\"          data-sizes=\"(min-width:1200px) 75vw, (min-width:768px) 83vw, 100vw\"          class=\"lazyload\"\n        \n                  alt=\"A large crowd protests in front of a building with a statue of a person riding a horse.\"\n        \n        \n                                      \/>\n\n    \n    \n  \n  \n\n<\/div>\n  \n      <div class=\"image-caption\">\n          \n<div class=\"f--field f--description\">\n\n    \n  Ukrainian citizens protest near the White House in February 2022 after Russia launched an invasion of Ukraine. (Photo: JANIFEST.)\n\n\n<\/div>\n    <\/div>\n  \n  <div class=\"text-wrapper\">\n          <nav aria-label=\"Breadcrumb\" class=\"breadcrumbs\">\n        <ul>\n                      <li><a href=\"\/news\/stories\/\">News<\/a><\/li>\n                      <li><a href=\"\/news\/stories\/\/?category=politics\">Politics<\/a><\/li>\n                  <\/ul>\n      <\/nav>\n    \n              \n<div class=\"f--field f--page-title\">\n\n    \n  <h1>What the Iraq War can teach the US about avoiding a quagmire in Ukraine \u2013 3 key\u00a0lessons<\/h1>\n\n\n<\/div>\n    \n          <div class=\"subtitle\">\n            \n<div class=\"f--field f--description\">\n\n    \n  It\u2019s been more than 20 years since the US invaded Iraq, but the invasion still provides a cautionary tale about getting involved in an expensive war abroad.\n\n\n<\/div>\n      <\/div>\n    \n           <strong class=\"author-field\"><span >By<\/span><a href=\"mailto:communication@dornsife.usc.edu\">Patrick James<\/a><\/strong>\n    \n          <span class=\"post-date-field\">May 3, 2023<\/span>\n      <\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n\n  <\/div><\/div>\n\n  \n    \n\n\n\n\n\n\n<div\n  class=\"cc--component-container cc--social-share \"\n\n  \n  \n  \n  \n  \n  \n  >\n  <div class=\"c--component c--social-share\"\n    \n      >\n\n    \n  <div class=\"content-wrapper\">\n    <span class=\"a2a_kit a2a_kit_size_32 addtoany_list\" style=\"line-height: 32px;\">\n      <span class=\"title\">\n        Share\n      <\/span>\n                        <a class=\"a2a_button_copy_link\" target=\"_blank\" href=\"\/#copy_link\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" title=\"Link\">\n            <span class=\"a2a_svg a2a_s__default a2a_s_copy_link\">\n              <svg height=\"19\" viewBox=\"0 0 19 19\" width=\"19\" xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\"><path d=\"m7.43475275 9.52380952-2.17490843 2.26076008c-1.08745421 1.058837-1.68841575 2.518315-1.68841575 4.0350275 0 1.5167124.60096154 2.9475732 1.68841575 4.0350274 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Pentagon papers showed in early April 2023 that the U.S. is allegedly following the inner workings of Russia\u2019s intelligence operations and is also <a href=\"https:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2023\/04\/08\/us\/politics\/leaked-documents-russia-ukraine-war.html\" target=\"_blank\">spying on Ukraine<\/a>, adding a new dimension to the United States\u2019 involvement in the Ukraine war.<\/p>\n<p>While the U.S. has <a href=\"https:\/\/www.cnn.com\/2023\/01\/28\/europe\/nato-is-not-at-war-with-russia-intl-cmd\/index.html\" target=\"_blank\">not actually declared war<\/a> against Russia, the documents show that it continues to support Ukraine with <a href=\"https:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2022\/09\/10\/us\/politics\/ukraine-military-intelligence.html\" target=\"_blank\">military intelligence<\/a> as well as <a href=\"https:\/\/www.state.gov\/u-s-security-cooperation-with-ukraine\/\" target=\"_blank\">money and weapons<\/a> against the Russian invasion.<\/p>\n<p>There is <a href=\"https:\/\/www.bbc.com\/news\/world-asia-65030929\" target=\"_blank\">no end in sight<\/a> to the war between Ukraine and Russia \u2013 nor to U.S. involvement.  While it is far from the first time that the U.S. became a third party to war, this scenario brings the Iraq War, in particular, to mind.<\/p>\n<p>I am a <a href=\"https:\/\/scholar.google.com\/citations?user=wLxAZk4AAAAJ&amp;hl=en\" target=\"_blank\">scholar of international relations and an expert on international conflicts<\/a>.  A comparison with the Iraq War, I believe, offers a useful way to look at the case of Ukraine.<\/p>\n<p>The Iraq and Ukraine wars have notable differences from a U.S. foreign policy perspective \u2013 chiefly, thousands of American soldiers died fighting in Iraq, while the U.S. does not have any ground troops in Ukraine. But assessing the Iraq War, and its long aftermath, can still help articulate concerns about the United States\u2019 getting involved in intense violence in another faraway place.<\/p>\n<p>Here are three key points to understand.<\/p>\n<h2>1. Intervention doesn\u2019t guarantee success<\/h2>\n<p>Around the time former President George W. Bush announced the U.S. would invade Iraq in 2003, Osama bin Laden, the wealthy Saudi Arabian Islamist who orchestrated the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.newyorker.com\/magazine\/2003\/08\/04\/the-search-for-osama\" target=\"_blank\">remained at large<\/a>. While not obviously connected, the fact that bin Laden continued to evade the U.S. contributed to a general sense of anger at hostile regimes. In particular, Saddam Hussein defied the U.S. and its allies.<\/p>\n<p>The Iraqi dictator <a href=\"https:\/\/georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov\/infocus\/iraq\/decade\/sect2.html\" target=\"_blank\">continued to evade inspections<\/a> by the United Nations watchdog group the International Atomic Energy Agency, giving the impression that he had weapons of mass destruction. This proved maddening to the U.S. and its allies as <a href=\"https:\/\/www.npr.org\/2023\/02\/03\/1151160567\/colin-powell-iraq-un-weapons-mass-destruction\" target=\"_blank\">the cat and mouse game dragged on<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>Bush reportedly had intense concerns about <a href=\"https:\/\/www.brookings.edu\/blog\/order-from-chaos\/2021\/09\/17\/9-11-and-iraq-the-making-of-a-tragedy\/\" target=\"_blank\">whether Saddam could use alleged weapons<\/a> of mass destruction to attack the U.S., causing even more harm than 9\/11 did.<\/p>\n<p>A U.S.-led coalition of countries that included the United Kingdom and Australia invaded Iraq in March 2003. The \u201c<a href=\"https:\/\/www.cfr.org\/backgrounder\/coalition-willing\" target=\"_blank\">coalition of the willing<\/a>,\u201d as it became known, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.cfr.org\/backgrounder\/coalition-willing\" target=\"_blank\">won a quick victory<\/a> and toppled Saddam\u2019s regime.<\/p>\n<p>Bush initially enjoyed a <a href=\"https:\/\/news.gallup.com\/poll\/116500\/presidential-approval-ratings-george-bush.aspx\" target=\"_blank\">spike in public support<\/a> immediately after the invasion, but his polls shortly after experienced a <a href=\"https:\/\/www.nbcnews.com\/id\/wbna9332076\" target=\"_blank\">downward trajectory<\/a> as the war dragged on.<\/p>\n<p>However, the U.S. showed very little understanding of the politics, society and other important aspects of the country that it had taken the lead in occupying and then trying to rebuild.<\/p>\n<p>Many decisions, most notably <a href=\"https:\/\/time.com\/3900753\/isis-iraq-syria-army-united-states-military\/\" target=\"_blank\">disbanding of the Iraqi Army<\/a> in May 2003, revealed poor judgment and even outright ignorance because, with the sudden removal of Iraqi security forces, intense civil <a href=\"https:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2004\/10\/21\/world\/debate-lingering-on-decision-to-dissolve-the-iraqi-military.html\" target=\"_blank\">disorder ensued<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>Disbanding the army caused insurgent militant forces to come out into the open. The fighting intensified among  different Iraqi groups and escalated into <a href=\"https:\/\/www.pbs.org\/newshour\/show\/the-long-lasting-impact-of-the-u-s-invasion-of-iraq\" target=\"_blank\">a civil war<\/a>, which ended in 2017.<\/p>\n<p>Today, Iraq continues to be politically unstable and is <a href=\"https:\/\/theconversation.com\/20-years-on-george-w-bushs-promise-of-democracy-in-iraq-and-middle-east-falls-short-201998\" target=\"_blank\">not any closer<\/a> to becoming a democracy than it was before the invasion.<\/p>\n<h2>2. Personal vendettas cannot justify a war<\/h2>\n<p>During his 24-year regime, Saddam <a href=\"https:\/\/azdailysun.com\/iraqis-awed-angered-at-lavish-lifestyles-of-saddams-family\/article_47dd8980-dcf4-540f-947b-a39323309923.html\" target=\"_blank\">lived an extravagant lifestyle<\/a> coupled with oppression of civilians and <a href=\"https:\/\/theconversation.com\/saddam-hussein-how-a-deadly-purge-of-opponents-set-up-his-ruthless-dictatorship-120748\" target=\"_blank\">political opponents<\/a>. He engaged in <a href=\"https:\/\/www.aljazeera.com\/features\/2021\/4\/14\/hold-survivors-of-the-anfal-kurdish-genocide-long-for-closure\" target=\"_blank\">genocide of Kurdish people<\/a> in Iraq. Saddam was finally <a href=\"https:\/\/www.rferl.org\/a\/ten-years-since-saddam-husseins-execution\/1830532.html\" target=\"_blank\">executed by his own people in 2006<\/a>, after U.S. forces captured him.<\/p>\n<p>Putin is equally notorious and even more dangerous. He has a long track record of <a href=\"https:\/\/slate.com\/news-and-politics\/2022\/03\/putin-russia-totalitarianism-soviet-style-oppression.html\" target=\"_blank\">violent oppression<\/a> against his people and has  benefited from leading one of the world\u2019s <a href=\"https:\/\/foreignpolicy.com\/2022\/07\/05\/russia-corruption-security-threat\/\" target=\"_blank\">most corrupt governments<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>He also actually possesses weapons of mass destruction and has <a href=\"https:\/\/www.reuters.com\/world\/putin-update-russias-elite-ukraine-war-major-speech-2023-02-21\/#:%7E:text=Putin%2C%20who%20has%20over%20the,West%20backs%20off%20in%20Ukraine.\">threatened multiple times to use them<\/a> on foreign countries.<br \/>\n<a href=\"https:\/\/abcnews.go.com\/US\/story?id=90764&amp;page=1\" target=\"_blank\">Saddam<\/a> and Putin have also both been the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.cnbc.com\/2022\/03\/16\/biden-says-russian-leader-putin-is-a-war-criminal-for-ukraine-attacks.html\" target=\"_blank\">direct targets<\/a> of U.S. political leaders, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.newsweek.com\/biden-putin-russia-trump-obama-1683646\" target=\"_blank\">who displayed a fixation<\/a> on toppling these foreign adversaries, which <a href=\"https:\/\/www.theguardian.com\/world\/2003\/mar\/16\/iraq9\" target=\"_blank\">was evident long before<\/a> the U.S. actually became involved in the Iraq and Ukraine wars.<\/p>\n<p>The United States\u2019 support for Ukraine is understandable because that country is fighting a defensive war with <a href=\"https:\/\/www.ohchr.org\/en\/news\/2023\/04\/ukraine-civilian-casualty-update-10-april-2023#:%7E:text=From%2024%20February%202022%2C%20which,8%2C490%20killed%20and%2014%2C244%20injured.\">horrific civilian casualties<\/a>. Backing Ukraine also makes sense from the standpoint of U.S. national security \u2013 it helps push back against an expansionist Russia that increasingly <a href=\"https:\/\/www.cna.org\/our-media\/indepth\/2022\/10\/the-china-russia-no-limits-partnership-is-still-going-strong\" target=\"_blank\">is aligned with China<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>At the same time, I believe that it is important to keep U.S. involvement in this war within limits that reflect national interests.<\/p>\n<h2>3. It can divide the country<\/h2>\n<p>The Iraq War resulted in a rise in intense <a href=\"https:\/\/theconversation.com\/20-years-on-george-w-bushs-promise-of-democracy-in-iraq-and-middle-east-falls-short-201998\" target=\"_blank\">partisanship in the U.S. over foreign policy<\/a>. In addition, recent opinion polls about the Iraq War <a href=\"https:\/\/www.militarytimes.com\/news\/your-military\/2023\/03\/17\/polls-show-support-for-iraq-war-drop-in-20-years-post-invasion\/\" target=\"_blank\">show that most Americans do not think that the invasion<\/a> made the U.S. any safer.<\/p>\n<p>Now, the U.S. faces rising public skepticism about getting involved in the Ukraine war, another <a href=\"https:\/\/www.washingtonpost.com\/politics\/2023\/02\/01\/us-cautions-ukraine-aid-public-support-slips\/\" target=\"_blank\">expensive overseas commitment<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>Polls released in January 2023 show that the percentage of Americans who <a href=\"https:\/\/www.pewresearch.org\/short-reads\/2023\/01\/31\/as-russian-invasion-nears-one-year-mark-partisans-grow-further-apart-on-u-s-support-for-ukraine\/\" target=\"_blank\">think the U.S. is providing too much aid<\/a> to Ukraine has grown in recent months. About 26% of American adults said in late 2022 that the U.S. is <a href=\"https:\/\/www.pewresearch.org\/short-reads\/2023\/01\/31\/as-russian-invasion-nears-one-year-mark-partisans-grow-further-apart-on-u-s-support-for-ukraine\/\" target=\"_blank\">giving too much<\/a> to the Ukraine war, according to Pew Research Group. But three-fourths of those polled still supported the U.S. engagement.<\/p>\n<p>The average American <a href=\"https:\/\/morningconsult.com\/2022\/02\/09\/can-americans-find-ukraine-on-a-map\/\" target=\"_blank\">knows little to nothing<\/a> about Iraq or Ukraine. Patience obviously can grow thin when U.S. support for foreign wars becomes ever more expensive and the threat of retaliation, even by way of tactical nuclear weapons, remains in the realm of possibility. Aid to Ukraine is likely to become embroiled in the rapidly escalating conflict in Washington over the debt ceiling.<\/p>\n<p>On the flip side, if the U.S. does not offer sufficient support for Ukraine to fend of Russian attacks and maintain its independence, adversaries such as Russia, China and Iran may feel encouraged to be aggressive in other places.<\/p>\n<p>I believe that the comparison between the wars in Iraq and Ukraine makes it clear that U.S. leadership should clearly identify the underlying goals of its national security to the American public while determining the amount and type of support that it will give to Ukraine.<\/p>\n<p>While many people believe that Ukraine deserves support against Russian aggression, current policy should not ignore past experience, and the Iraq War tells a cautionary tale.<!-- Below is The Conversation's page counter tag. 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